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I have come up up with a massive idea of creating an app for the s!ap clan. I personally will be able to make it, but firstly I would like to know what you think. If this idea does go theough And if you could help at all, post below and I'll get back to you.
Also, I would love for all areas of the clan, from minecrafters to x-boxers, to read this and give your views and ideas to it.
It's a massive idea to do. But I would like to see what support I may get.....
An app for what? Android, iOS, windows phone?Quote:
Originally Posted by jimred9
I highly doubt this.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimred9
Besides not giving any form of actual information as to what this app would do nor what platform it would be made for, I don't think you understand how difficult and time consuming creating an app is.
Also, unless you've come up with a great revolutionary idea, I don't see any way in which an app could be useful.
Don't mean to stomp this idea into the ground, but this makes people think you're a great experienced app developer that can create something amazing in a matter of weeks, while you are most likely not.
1. How much experience do you have with the required language (java/Object C/C++)
2. How much experience do you have with the required API (it took me days and many tutorials to get a decent working (decent working as in absolutely hideous but functioning) simple menu interface going for Android... and I had already been using Java for over a year then)
3. What does the app do?
I look forward to your answer, I really do >_>
now now, don't be hating on our awesome app with my awesome photoshop skills. It was epic, yesh?Quote:
Originally Posted by naithantu
Now Telluur , I'm sure we both have "awesome" photoshop skills :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Telluur
This app would start off on iOS and then branch off to all other available operating systems. (even Linux )
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Originally Posted by naithantu
I knew someone was going to doubt any effort that I put into this app and I am dedicated to be able to create this app with the knowledge that I have, which will be continually growing .
No I m not an app developer that can create something amazing in a matter of weeks'. All developers have a few starting steps and I am on some of these steps .
In answer to your questions naithanu...
1 and 2) I am at the end of being a beginner for the language/programs that I will be using and this experience is still going. So I am improving and improving
3) The whole point of the app is to be able to connect to the whole website, with a user friendly interface that makes navigating various sites an ease and also quicker for the user. It will have the live map and will also feature many other suggestions that anybody has. (please post any suggestions below, may it be a game to graphics or anythining else)
Overall I would be able to create this app and none of the negative comments may put me down. I am NOT a professional app developer and so I would like this to be a community suggestion that is open to ideas and good support please.
At the moment I am finishing off a simple app project that I have been doing for a little bit and then I am learning a bit more to continue onto the project of the S!lap app if approved.
Thank you,
I think youre thinking too lightly about programming :S
I may seem unexprienced, but I have a load of expirence in python. And so I can transfer this knowledge to my new language and software as they are similar. Also I'm a continual, quick learner so I can learn how to create even more for this app as I go along.I would also like to quote a saying I used to hear:¨Some may put you down, but you can always get back up and beat them.¨ I can't rember where this came from. But I like to follow this example and I would love the opertunity of vcreating this app if it can be approved.Quote:
Originally Posted by lordgandalf
Python is a scripting language.
It isnt a programming lang just saying :S
This experience in python won't help you. whereas python is a clean slick dynamic language, java/objective c are pure static coding. this difference alone makes a major difference in complexity. python was designed to be a easy form of object orientated programming with a syntax that is easy to read and understand. translating that to a static language is harder than it seems. Make no mistake, what you are getting yourself into isn't what you think it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimred9
now, not to talk you down, but my prediction is that if you start, we won't hear a thing after a month. You want to integrate the website in your app, this alone is one hell of a job neither I, naith, stoux or any other developer in this community (except bluehat as I don't know him at all) can achieve in the next year. Because next to doing the programming itself you need to teach yourself php to pull content from our forum database.
however, if you really want to try, you have my blessing.
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3) The whole point of the app is to be able to connect to the whole website, with a user friendly interface that makes navigating various sites an ease and also quicker for the user. It will have the live map and will also feature many other suggestions that anybody has. (please post any suggestions below, may it be a game to graphics or anythining else)
Okay... and... how would you do this? Let's just say, how would you access the forums inside the app, being able to browse through the sections, answer posts etc.
When creating something that is already possible on a phone you're pretty much competing with other apps, in this case every single web browser and tapatalk (an app that allows you to browse forums easily on your phone which also works with our forums).
Don't get me wrong, I ain't stopping you, I would actually very much enjoy seeing someone make an app. However, while you do ask if others are able to help, you still haven't given any real information as to how you would make it.
For example creating a good app that reads the forums requires you to get information from our forums, the only good way to do it besides making an internet browser is by adding php files to our forums (which isn't impossible, but it would be yet another language you have to know to get this to work).
When you say you have already created apps I do very much wonder what you have created. Let me get back to what me and telluur did this year, we created an app for android. In this app you get a screen with 4 numbers and you need to add, subtract, multiply and divide to make 24 (this is apparently what the 4 numbers on the old flippo's were for). We spent about 4 months creating this and several hundred hours in total, in the end the app really wasn't all that great. It wasn't bad, but it definitely wasn't something you would spread to other people.
Once again, I'm not trying to make you stop doing this, but you need to be realistic. Make it clear how you are going to make something, exactly what you are going to do and what platform you are going to make it for (as a beginning developer saying you are going to make it for several platforms is really not realistic).
I think we've all said enough know, I wish you luck with whatever you are going to make (If you were wondering if it is allowed, then yes it is allowed to create apps for SLAP, just let us know) and I'd be really interested in seeing your progress.
Ahh, you guys have made me understand a lot...
Basically, I will be making this app with a few ideas I have already thought of and any other ideas given to me with a piece of software/coding called 'runrev' (here are the details). Its a simple app development program and I will try and make it in that program.
Please not that I have not created any other apps, but I am going to do the slap app after I have made the current app I'm doing. Or I will temporally stop that app to make the slap app. (Yay that rhymes! :) ).
I will post a another message here when I actually start work and the reason why I want others to help is because I would like that players post artwork or anything that they would want to be put into the app and i'll add it.
Ahh, I have Tellur's blessing :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Telluur
I may not bother with an app as there is already an pp accosiated with the forums, it's called tapatalk. (Which I am using now to post this)
Let me just quote one of my earlier posts on this topic:
lol....Quote:
Originally Posted by naithantu
It's a shame though, I really was interested to see what you would've made :3
Do u think I should still try and make something then? I will if u do :)
Well you said you had good ideas for an app, so I was hoping to eventually find out what exactly those ideas were when you would show a version of the app. Since you now gave up after realizing there are already apps to read the forums on your phone, I'm going to presume that was going the be the most important part of the app.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimred9
Jimred... While Naithantu and Tellur are saying they don't want to rain on your parade. I'm sorry but I'm going to just go ahead and do it anyway because I feel it's something not to be taken as offence or in a critical way, but if you're serious about making apps, you can use this to seek direction in your learning.
First of all, you've proposed making an app. That's practically all you have said, feature wise you've mentioned the forums which is a cool idea and really nice. I'd say go for it, could make my life a lost easier at the very least! However you've just named one feature. Do you really have an idea, or do you just want to make an app and enjoy Slap and feel you could combine the two? Not saying it's a bad idea, but you still don't have anything tangible.
Programming is hard work to learn, people (myself included) take 4 year degree's to learn aspects of software development, anyone that promises you easy or no coding isn't really going to be able to deliver much. RunRev will allow you to make very basic apps using their own scripting language with a lot of restrictions. If you're going to make an App, you should learn to do it properly.
To create an actual app, you will need programming knowledge (not to be confused with scripting). C#, C++, Java, would be the main languages to look into. For App purposes I'd say either C# or Java which are very similar in many ways.
But before we look at the development I think it's important to consider the design process. You don't have a design, you've got a small idea with 1 feature so far. You need to be looking at more, you need to break down your program to the nth degree so the developers (you) can develop it properly. Match box programming doesn't work for a big project, and this app is not going to be small. You need a design document with the full concept listed out, break it down from the features and over all idea, down to fonts and colors and then use paper to design the screens and interactions.
This way you can show it to a potential developer partner and they can help with it. They can't help with a project that they don't know about after all :P
Also if you're looking to incorporate other people to help develop the project and to program it, you're going to need some kind of distribution management system / version control system. Don't even think about emailing the files around or dropbox; after a week your project will be to big to email or take hours to sync to dropbox.
I could go on but I think you have enough to think about. App development is awesome and really fun as well as educational. If you want to make an app then please please by all means do it, I'd love to see the result and give advice where I can. But so far you need to go back to the drawing board and start again. You have to treat the project seriously with documentation and proper management. I'm in the process of building an App at the moment and it's going to take months to complete, maybe even longer.
You also then have deployment to deal with, getting it past Google and Apple for a start to get it on the markets. Then also Microsoft for Window Phones. And if you want to deploy onto more major OS' like Windows, MacOS and Linux (linux isn't a phone OS by the way, not yet anyway) you need to make an entirely new build for those. Each requires it's own set of code, they are totally individual and porting an app can take quite a while. Even if it is quicker than starting from scratch!
Please please do pursue this. It's people telling me this kind of stuff in an upfront way that has made me pursue game development and software engineering. I really encourage you to do so, but I also won't lie to you and tell you that you're going about it the right way. Get on the right tracks and you can go far, even without a degree or proper education around the topic.
HFGL.
Dear admins,
After re-reading these posts I have realised how un-prepared and pointless this proposal is and so I would like this sub thread to be deleted...
Thanks for all the clarification that had to be given to me ;)
Thanks,
Jimred9 :)
EDIT: I may restart this project when I am prepared so keep posted and suggest more ideas than just forums and maps as at the mo I don't know what to add. :)
So, actually don't delete this :p
Thank you to everyone's support I am going to re think this project :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueHat